John Palladino - CoE (Book 3) progress: 41,000 @AGrimBastard
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Thanks everyone for your responses. Definitely seems worth it. I'll probably try to do one when I release book 3 to capitalize on the follow through purchases...
Thanks everyone for your responses. Definitely seems worth it. I'll probably try to do one when I release book 3 to capitalize on the follow through purchases...
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Question on those of you who've used BookBub... Is $1000 reasonable for a US promotion? Do you make money? This sounds like you'd have to sell a RIDICULOUS amount of copies to get close to breaking even
Writing has commenced on City of Eagles! I'll be updating (and already have done so once) my profile name with word count again! Feels like it's been an eternity at 41k words lmao
My Kickstarter pin came today. I had selected @PetrikReads looks great!
Another fun tease from the City of Eagles reread I'm doing. And yes, The Dripping Bucket is also present. I start writing it again tomorrow 😎 can't wait!
John Palladino - CoE (Book 3) progress: 41,000 retweeted
You know, you can be on the right side of an argument and still be fighting it the wrong way. Being on the right side doesn’t excuse bad behavior.
Ironic, considering the BEARD has already interviewed people more successful than whomever this mystery author is. If it's good enough for Raymond E. Feist, seems like it should be good enough for whoever. Regardless, treating people like this is shit behavior
Ironic, considering the BEARD has already interviewed people more successful than whomever this mystery author is. If it's good enough for Raymond E. Feist, seems like it should be good enough for whoever. Regardless, treating people like this is shit behavior
Every time somebody makes a good point on AI, a bunch of idiot defenders seem to show up 🙄 If you want a good cover, don't use AI. Period.
Every time somebody makes a good point on AI, a bunch of idiot defenders seem to show up 🙄 If you want a good cover, don't use AI. Period.
2/3 of the way through the reread of City of Eagles! Almost back to writing...
John Palladino - CoE (Book 3) progress: 41,000 retweeted
As I'm moving soon, I need to unhaul a bunch of books that I'm realistically never gonna read. Is there anywhere in the UK besides Ebay to sell them? Some are even signed... 👀
Sometimes I wonder if I should forsake what I enjoy writing (grimdark) and write what's more popular (epic fantasy). Money is a huge motivator there but I don't think I'd want to "clean up" my writing style. But I also need to sell more or stop writing - the conundrum is real
I've started working on City of Eagles again. Right now, I'm rereading and relearning what I've written 😂 but I stumbled upon this part and enjoyed it.
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369 Followers 330 Following Author of the Sundered Crown Saga, Empowered Ones Series and more. Founder of EPIC indie.@AGrimBastard I've made a profit or at least broken even when I've done snagged the foreign ones. But I stopped applying years ago because I worry that if I get a US deal, I won't have the cash for it right at that moment!
@AGrimBastard I think this is still my favorite animated movie of all time. Saw it when I was 9 or 10 after a lifetime of watching Disney animated on VHS (both original and straight to VHS release) and I remember how “wowed” I was by the animation change
I have so much to learn about this business. This was an enlightening thread.
@AGrimBastard I admit, I’ve found some great authors for the first time through BookBub.
@AGrimBastard I’ve applied a few times and been rejected. What’s the secret to getting a BB promo listing?
@AGrimBastard I’ve had more than 15 U.S. BookBub deals and every one of them has made a large profit for me, though sometimes it requires patience as new fans make their way through your backlist (ie it helps if you have a series or at least a few books in your backlist)
@AGrimBastard I spent $300 on them once. I did NOT make the money back.
@AGrimBastard I did it with Debunked. Would do it again without hesitation. Hundreds of new readers. Broke even and even made a little profit. And that was with only one book. If I had more out in the series, it would have done even better. The Bookbub folks were a pleasure to deal with, too.
@AGrimBastard For example, if that $1000 sells 200 books, that's just break even. But if it gets you to the top of your categories and starts a wave of sales down the rest of your series, that's totally worth it
@AGrimBastard I had no idea there were so many of them!! Seriously, not even sure who their target audience is, because I wouldn't be buying it for my children. Not even sure they watched them on Disney plus.
@AGrimBastard The few promos I've had in the past have been absolutely worth it, but I have not gotten a promo since they got really huge and raised their prices. They do move a LOT of books, so I can see this being worth it even at $1000 if you've got a long series/backlist
@AGrimBastard I’ve done 5 BB international features. All profitable. I do ‘think’ if I did US I’d sell a ton, but it’s a big wager. My category is up around $900. It’s a lot of money to pay out initially. If I had the opportunity & had the cash sitting there to spend. I’d do it. 👍
@AGrimBastard I was actually about to ask the same question
@AGrimBastard I've had ~25 Bookbubs. Never lost money on any of them. Usually get a 2-4x ROI, but have seen upwards of 10-20x, though that was back when it was easier to go viral on Amazon.
@AGrimBastard Last time I looked, fantasy was under $800, which is still incredibly expensive. According to everyone who has featured, nobody has lost money on it (there are 20 million subscribers in all… no one comes close to that). There’s follow-on sales and Zon author follows too.
@Tom_Mock @AGrimBastard This is the key. It’s a tough sell if you have a catalog of one. But if there’s followthrough potential on additional books, that’s where it begins to even out. I don’t know anyone who has regretted it. I submit every month.
@AGrimBastard And that was with my measly single novel out.
@AGrimBastard For comparison sake, tho, I sold ~ 600 copies on a 99c feature. (Their horror category has fewer subs).
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