Zach Holman @holman
cofounder: @workonco. investing: https://t.co/Q8xjxtz2Zy. formerly: @github, @gitlab. zachholman.com San Francisco, CA Joined December 2007-
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Huge fan of this. Non-sensical to have controls over how you make a living, and this will ultimately help general competition, too.
Huge fan of this. Non-sensical to have controls over how you make a living, and this will ultimately help general competition, too.
i'm super good at demand generation. i just sit in front of my computer and demand it generate all my code for me, what's so hard about that
this was tragic for football, but i’m just sitting here thinking of the poor fucking engineer tasked to deal with painting the lines on-screen and her complaint at the all-hands about this specific instance was overridden in three seconds by a clueless manager
this was tragic for football, but i’m just sitting here thinking of the poor fucking engineer tasked to deal with painting the lines on-screen and her complaint at the all-hands about this specific instance was overridden in three seconds by a clueless manager
Do not tie your identity as a professional to a particular language, technology or framework. You will outlast all those things many times over.
Do not tie your identity as a professional to a particular language, technology or framework. You will outlast all those things many times over.
I finally have a tweet for my soccer x programming audience overlap: check out these new kits from our women's team, @oaklandsoulsc, with @CircleCI as the kit sponsor. 🔥
I finally have a tweet for my soccer x programming audience overlap: check out these new kits from our women's team, @oaklandsoulsc, with @CircleCI as the kit sponsor. 🔥
really looking forward to the first software developer who becomes president. can’t wait to watch them take the oauth of office.
Fun little announcement today: I'm launching a small fund at tifo.com: zachholman.com/posts/announci…
Some of my favorite stories selling what would become GitHub Enterprise early on was dealing with the culture changes back then. I had a number of large banks tell me — with a straight face — "how can you possibly have quality software if you deploy more than once a quarter?"
sorry everyone, we've been busy this last week
really enjoying github moving the entire frontend to react because i get to watch it break the UI in novel ways every day
just saw the first two episodes of the three-body problem and years of waiting for this were totally worth it, i’m so happy. can’t wait to binge the whole season when it comes out this week.
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After my husband quit his medical practice we had to move 2 hours away so he could practice medicine outside the radius of his noncompete. His old employer STILL tried to sue us because "as the crow flies" his new job was slightly within bounds. This is such a sigh of relief.
Huge news for anyone working in tech in the US. Noncompetes are now banned: not just in California (like before), but nationwide. Very, very relevant for anyone at Amazon (which is the Big Tech that has enforced noncompetes even for low-level engineering positions).
The most engagement the @SJEarthquakes admin has seen all year was posting a pic of an elderly man and inferring I was going senile. John Fisher has the worst team in American baseball, and soccer. Quite the accomplishment. The Quake fans deserve more. So much more.
@bdougieYO @holman Maybe a pile of prosciutto with olive oil. Hold the arugula. Parm though.
@holman We use discord, for the reasons described. It works well!
Is there any real open source alternative to slack. So many opportunities here
What is everyone using for work chat these days? Been using Slack for years and it’s been pretty impressive how it manages to get worse every day. Thinking of going a different direction.
@holman at this rate it’ll still take a thousand years for slack to not be the best by a mile, tho
@joerter10 @holman The actual text area is getting smaller and smaller as each PM showing in their pet feature into the UI Moving ui elements around, navigation is messed up, weird multiple login setup. Waiting for a @linear style company to resolve this.
@holman If we didn't need Slack Connect for customers we would have probably switched to Once by 37 Signals.
@holman Campfire in Basecamp. There’s also a new standalone version now you host yourself with a fraction of the costs compared to Slack and friends: once.com/campfire
@holman We use slack currently for box out and flipper cloud. I did setup chat.flippercloud.io (for community chat) using once campfire and I’m optimistic.
@holman @mxstbr @trycampsite Cool! I'm around for a short demo any time — we also take a post-first philosophy on team comms (the sweet spot between chat and docs). Short video demo here, too: app.campsite.co/campsite/p/not…
@mxstbr @holman @trycampsite @holman I'd love to show you Campsite!
Do not tie your identity as a professional to a particular language, technology or framework. You will outlast all those things many times over.
Developers over 40. What advice would you give to developers just starting their career?
@holman Bullish on @trycampsite by @brian_lovin! It's what I'd try today if we weren't already on Slack.
@holman I’m going to get a lot of hate on this but I use Teams and I love it
@holman I mean, I work for them, so take my recommendation with a grain of salt. But organized communication and not having to use Slack any longer were key reasons I applied to Doist in the first place. So yeah, big fan!
@holman I just got a new gig, and went from using Mattermost primarily to using Slack again. Modern Slack is distraction hell (I agree wrt unread notifications). I prefer Mattermost, but the ecosystem isn't as mature so it can be PITA to onboard external users, integrations, etc.