Tim Backes @timbackes
subject matter mostly packers stuff for @cheeseheadTV and also non packers stuff that you may or may not like Joined January 2010-
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We are now fully calculated, 1-55. Honorable mentions (55-51) coming tomorrow at 6 AM Green Bay time on @cheeseheadtv! Can't wait to get this series started!
We are now fully calculated, 1-55. Honorable mentions (55-51) coming tomorrow at 6 AM Green Bay time on @cheeseheadtv! Can't wait to get this series started!
Getting close to being done with calculating all the votes for my @cheeseheadtv 50 Greatest Games poll. For the most part the top end goes as you would expect, but there are definitely some surprises along the way.
Just a reminder to fill this out! One more week before I start compiling results.
Just a reminder to fill this out! One more week before I start compiling results.
might take the solar glasses off today so i never have to watch another game of Bucks basketball ever again
i loved michael cole using the words "pro wrestling" very intentionally multpile times at the end of the broadcast. these people are DONE with vince. #wrestlemania
this main event is absolutely off the rails and i love it
what i love about wrestling logic is that roman reigns just did a last ride powerbomb which would end the match if it were undertaker but since it's not roman's finisher it's magically less powerful
I only see WWE a couple times a year at this point (grew up a massive fan) so I'm way out of the loop but I gotta say this ring announcer kicks ass
Guys, this one is REALLY good. I mean they all are, but this one especially. Feels like every year the team elevates their games. I'm so honored to be a small part of making this happen yet again. Please do us a favor--support the work of this talented crew. You won't regret it.
Guys, this one is REALLY good. I mean they all are, but this one especially. Feels like every year the team elevates their games. I'm so honored to be a small part of making this happen yet again. Please do us a favor--support the work of this talented crew. You won't regret it.
Good. Let the billionaire owners pay.
For those interested, here are the games that made the cut after several hundred submissions. 50 of these will make up the top 50 Packer games of 92-22 (Favre/Rodgers era) on @cheeseheadtv. Voters will rank based on significance, entertainment value, and intensity.
i am watching packers/cowboys highlights because of @itszacharyj and i cannot get over how good jordan love is i cannot believe the packers did it again
I have read this multiple times and still can’t decide if it’s satire or not.
If this applies to all locations I’m gonna need someone who cares about baseball to keep me updated
Andy Herman @AndyHermanNFL
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I still don’t get why people open carry.
I literally hate people who are late. If you wanted our plans to be later just make our plans later, but don’t say a time and then show up after it’s so rude
Honestly, I never imagined this would happen when I started watching the NFL. Surreal moment.
Estamos indo para o Brasil! 🇧🇷 Week 1's game will be in São Paulo against the Eagles. 📰: pckrs.com/a5agyjt1 #GoPackGo
My wife’s body is now subject to a law from 1864 because Christian Nationalists continue to use their tithe and offering money on politicians instead of people. Nice! 👍
#BREAKING The Arizona Supreme Court upheld a 160-year-old abortion ban that could shutter abortion clinics in the state. The ruling indicated the ban can only be "prospectively enforced" and enforcement of the law is stayed for 14 days. azcentral.com/story/news/pol…
.@King_kevvoo is officially a #DirtyBird!
might take the solar glasses off today so i never have to watch another game of Bucks basketball ever again
Fuck
guys I’m sad to admit I’ve never seen a single wrestling event in my entire life and have no idea why everyone is so amped on the tl rn…. BUT I hope everyone has the best night of their lives
@timbackes Same, when I was a kid I’d watch everything and now always watch royal rumble and wrestlemania
I've never seen such a perfect demonstration of the crab bucket mentality
My dad took me to Wrestlemania 23. We drove to Detroit. Sat in the last row, behind the stage and had an amazing time. 17 years later, I'm taking him and we're 2nd row at Wrestlemania 40. #WrestleManiaXL
Best part of getting older. Giving your parents experiences for all the shit they did for you
My dad took me to Wrestlemania 23. We drove to Detroit. Sat in the last row, behind the stage and had an amazing time. 17 years later, I'm taking him and we're 2nd row at Wrestlemania 40. #WrestleManiaXL
Klan meeting in the comments section
Doing this podcast with my best friend for the last 4 years was the best part of my week. I am sad it has ended but it ended the way I wanted it to with Joey living out his dream. Officially a podcast free agent 🫡
? this is sick as hell