I donāt care about crying kids on planes or in restaurants or anything because they are humans learning the world with a right to be in public spaces. But when it comes to breweries or bars (areas that are clearly very much adult spaces even if kids can technically come) I understand people not wanting to deal with screaming kids while theyāre trying to toss em back in a space geared towards of age activities. Shouldnāt be ādisgusting and hatefulā to be like āI actually want to enjoy my beer at this brewery without toddlers running around and yellingā because that is more than valid. If you disagree with that thatās fine but to pretend people are out of line for that view is so disingenuous.
I donāt care about crying kids on planes or in restaurants or anything because they are humans learning the world with a right to be in public spaces. But when it comes to breweries or bars (areas that are clearly very much adult spaces even if kids can technically come) I understand people not wanting to deal with screaming kids while theyāre trying to toss em back in a space geared towards of age activities. Shouldnāt be ādisgusting and hatefulā to be like āI actually want to enjoy my beer at this brewery without toddlers running around and yellingā because that is more than valid. If you disagree with that thatās fine but to pretend people are out of line for that view is so disingenuous.
@craiggoisdead Hey this is a good point!
Every Sunday my husband and I took 5 children out to eat. One was a baby. Never were allowed to run around or be loud. We never bothered anyone. Same shopping. Never a temper tantrum or loudness. Touching stuff was discouraged. I did reward them in the car if they behaved. Loud obnoxious children is a parenting issue.
@craiggoisdead @anactualwalnut Youāre absolutely right BUT pubs and bars are sooooo boring for kids, and usually their parents want to be there for 1hr +, so ensuring kids are behaving with consideration for others for that duration is, I think, unrealistic.
In a pub my children, even when very young, would sit at the table and draw or play with toys and enjoy their food/drinks. They were not allowed to run around tripping people up or be noisy. My children did not routinely tantrum either, this was very rare, as they knew there was no point and no gain to any attempt to get their own way. It is the parents yes, and the flawed attitude of 'let kids do whatever they want'. There is no reason why a child should not behave just as civilised in a pub as adults do, they are fully capable - and childhood is exactly where you (should) learn how to become a good member of society.
@craiggoisdead @anactualwalnut Which in turn, makes the children the problem. Itās not a hard concept. Parent doesnāt control screaming wild child. People donāt want to be around that environment. This gets set up. Itās no one elseās problem you have kids and refuse to control them.
@craiggoisdead @anactualwalnut Most people who are like this often agree its because of how the parents are failing the kids but its still the kids causingthe disruption so its easier to say "no kids allowed" then "no kids of parents who fail to teach their kids manners" Also some kids arent old enough to know
@craiggoisdead @anactualwalnut Nah man there's still an issue with drinking alcohol around kids, I don't want to be getting drunk and have kids see that at all. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a bar just because I'd want to be a better role model. They just shouldn't be in there.
@craiggoisdead @anactualwalnut My son is not a rock but when he goes out he isnāt doing the most to disturb others and when he does get irritated- it means itās time to leave. More places are gonna start this bc of those parents and us parents who do keep our kids calm will only have parks and grocery stores