@NocturnalNelly Have you noticed that if you take it more than like once a week it doesnt really work anymore? That has been my experience for some reason.. if I don't take it for a couple weeks then it is absolutely amazing
What is even funnier is that most people are taking the free base version which you would need 2000mg to be compared to the 400mg sodium salt version and that still wouldn't produce any noticeable fat loss.
I can't even count how many people are talking about atx saying it burns fat like crazy its so embarrassing at this point.
ATX-304 SODIUM SALT VERSION @ 400mg daily produced no fat loss in the human studies. Everyone is experiencing a huge placebo effect lol.
Primary sources:
WO2022153042A1 — Google Patents
US20240082222A1 — U.S. patent publication containing the PK tables
AU2022208237A1 — Australian family publication
I have been digging through Atx-304 patents and have found that the sodium salt version is 5x stronger than the free base. So to even reach the effects of the 400mg sodium salt daily dosing in the studies (which still showed no weight loss), you would need 2g free base version.
Everything is the placebo effect. Because no one is taking a high enough dose of the free base, and most people are not taking the sodium salt version and even four hundred milligrams of the sodium salt version is not enough to produce any substantial fat loss.
SANA (MVD1) KCl
High doses!
Implemented frequent smaller doses.
Investigators reported that the Day-15 PK profile was comparable to Day 1, concluding that MVD1 did not accumulate in the body over repeated. This could be indicative of a very short 1/2 life.
~See comments~
@TheKingFisher39 IMO atx will most likely shine in a surplus for the nutrient partitioning effects. I am going to high dose the sodium salt version soon to mimic the new upcoming phase 2 trials for obesity to see if significant fat loss occurs..
@TheKingFisher39 All of these studies were done in a calorie deficit. I used different compounds by themselves for 3-4 week intervals. Atx was a compound that for me did not change the scale or mirror in terms of fat loss, however it mitigated the fat gain/scale weight increase through cheat days
@n1after40@TheKingFisher39 I think you are having a similar experience as me with SANA. I am up to 1g daily for 4 weeks without any noticeable drop in bf or scale weight. I am using the potassium salt version which you should be able to dose lower than the freebase, but it isn't making a difference.
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