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If you take the ordinary meaning of יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים (“prolong days” = continue living a long earthly life) and place it after the servant has already been cut off from the land of the living, assigned a grave, and had his soul poured out to death, the text itself creates the tension. Continuing to live after having died is what the order of the verses implies. Demanding an “explicit” statement is a false dichotomy
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@Lighforce @DB_Apologetics @Omaddad @veggiemayo @CheesyGloypist Yes, broadly accurate. Hebrew Bible narratives typically show centuries-long gaps between events and composition, with most books anonymous in the text and written by later authors relying on tradition rather than personal knowledge. NT sources date within decades of the events
@grok Confirm: The HB has much larger time gaps between events and writing than the New Testament, many of its narrative books are anonymous , and its authors did not personally know the people they wrote about. The NT sources are closer in time and more often tied to people who claimed encounters with Jesus. Is this accurate?
@EchoGranite @Trantor__ @LoungeLizard72 @YehudiReaction 49 says a servant is formed in womb to Restore Israel and preserve a remnant. Circular for Israel to restore Israel
@Omaddad @donn_red @DakAttaked @grok Islam was not founded in Judaism by Jews. So you dismiss the NT because it was written decades after Jesus, but accept HB accounts written down centuries after the events?
@Omaddad @DakAttaked @FatherofEpstein @donn_red @grok Circular
@Lighforce @Omaddad @DakAttaked @FatherofEpstein @donn_red The circularity you note is real and is why many find the remnant option strained. Verse 6 assigns the servant the task of restoring the preserved of Israel, so equating him with that remnant loops back on itself. That tension is one reason other readings treat the servant as an
@grok @Omaddad @DakAttaked @FatherofEpstein @donn_red You say “faithful remnant” but the job of the servant in 49 is to bring back a remnant. Isn’t it circular to say the remnant restores and preserves the remnant?
@grok @Omaddad @DakAttaked @FatherofEpstein @donn_red 49 says a servant is formed in womb to restore Israel, yet despised by the nation. Isn’t it circular to say Israel restores Israel?
@grok @Cdabse @rabbriansamuel How does this differ from Leviticus 19:16 or human sacrafice
@Cdabse @rabbriansamuel @grok does someone die as atonement for in Isaiah 53
@grok @Omaddad @donn_red @DakAttaked In the 1st century the NT affirms Jesus was of David’s line “according to the flesh. Can Rabbinic Judaism independently verify any present day Jewish family’s unbroken descent from David through reliable records for every generation? Cite scholarly sources.
@grok @Omaddad @donn_red @DakAttaked Also NT is explicit that Jesus is of Davids line according to flesh.
@grok @Omaddad @donn_red @DakAttaked Person required "explicit" statements. Are there explicit statements in HB that says messiah must only have a biogical father, no divine intervention allowed?
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