@FrStephenImb The question is whether development can contradict a previously established moral principle.
Repeating “BUT SLAVERY!” doesn't resolve that question.
It just announces that you've discovered historical change without understanding the theological debate
@FrStephenImb “The Church changed its position on slavery, therefore every apparent doctrinal reversal is legitimate” isn't theology.
It's an analogy doing the work of an argument.
@FrStephenImb Using Philemon to defend your argument while conveniently skipping Philemon 16—where Paul tells him to receive Onesimus “no longer as a slave” but as a beloved brother—is certainly a choice.
Paul didn't issue an abolition decree.
But apparently you didn't read the whole letter.
@CharlesTingler You confused correlation with causation, ignored obvious counterexamples, and issued a challenge your own research couldn't survive.
Abolishing the death penalty is debatable.
Abolishing elementary statistical reasoning is not.
@CharlesTingler Particularly embarrassing:
Japan and Singapore have lower homicide rates than Germany and Spain AND retain capital punishment.
Does that prove executions deter murder?
NO.
Just as Canada's declining homicide rate doesn't prove abolition reduced murder.
See how reasoning works?
@CharlesTingler And the Texas-versus-Minnesota comparison?
Different populations, demographics, policing, criminal environments, and socioeconomic conditions.
You controlled for precisely none of them.
Apparently, putting two numbers next to each other now qualifies as a criminology doctorate.
@CharlesTingler Canada abolished capital punishment for murder in 1976? True.
Canada's last execution? 1962.
That's FOURTEEN YEARS earlier.
Using 1976 as your magical turning point while ignoring 1962 isn't serious historical analysis.
It's statistics with a blindfold and a political agenda.
@CharlesTingler You challenged people to name ONE country that retains the death penalty but has a lower homicide rate than Germany or Spain.
Japan. Singapore.
Two answers. Both embarrass your argument.
You could've Googled this before posting, but apparently confidence was doing the research.
@FeserEdward Whereas the Pope tells us it's inadmissible because of human dignity, God demands it because of said human dignity. If it violates dignity, is it intrinsically evil? Why are so many rushing to reject Tradition? This is most concerning.
@FeserEdward It's not necessarily about the death penalty in and of itself. It's the faulty reasoning (prisons keep everyone safe), ignoring retributive justice. The argument that it violates human dignity is interesting in light of Scripture see Gen 9:6
@davidgmac9@MassimoFaggioli Dave,back to the question you've repeatedly dodged:Is capital punishment intrinsically contrary to human dignity,or inadmissible because of contingent circumstances?
How do you reconcile Francis with Pius XII?Try answering w/o cosplaying as the Vatican's comment-section bouncer.
@davidgmac9@MassimoFaggioli And please spare us the lecture about what Christ"envisioned."
St. Thomas Aquinas built a theological method around objections, arguments, and replies.
Your method apparently consists of evasion,name-calling,and declaring the discussion closed.Quite the intellectual achievement.
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