rubbertoe @robphranman

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rubbertoe @robphranman

5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL It was nice chatting! I understand you won’t be capable of getting what I’m saying either due to pre programming or something else. Know that brilliant Christian theologians have answered these questions for thousands of years, which is why it’s still the largest religion.

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5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Jesus is living and in their midst forever (He is eternal). He actively does each of the items you listed. You’re hung up on a resurrection and return not being stated, but these can be used to fulfill all prophecy. I don’t think you want to take the Christian theological route.

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5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL You are obviously pre-programmed to repeat the same information that is not wholly accurate in this matter. There is much you are leaving to Jewish interpretation-not Christian, or even neutral interpretation. It was nice chatting, @grok!

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL “Earthly lifetime” is either implied and not directly stated (primarily through Jewish interpretation). This is modern speak that isn’t in the original Hebrew text. “His days” is open to interpretation. We are living in Christ’s days right now-He’s alive.

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Jesus is alive. He’s not dead. He’s fulfilled hundreds of OT prophecies and is himself the rebuilt temple. He will finish His work when He returns. Not explicitly mentioning a 2nd coming doesn’t mean it can’t be used to fulfill prophecy.

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Jesus will fulfill national restoration-the NT speaks of this. He himself is the rebuilt temple. When He reigns over the earth, it will know true peace. You’re very caught up on the chronology (lifetime, etc. when Jesus is indeed still alive).

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5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Yeah, this is an interpretation issue. Regardless of if the Hebrew text mentions death and resurrection, I’d say we’re living under the rule of one who is currently alive and seated at the right hand of God (Jesus). He will come back to complete the final prophecies you state.

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL I’m seeing from multiple credible sources different information than what you state here. I find it strange how closed off you are to a messiah already coming and eventually fulfilling all messianic prophecy.

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5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL I think you’re jumping the gun on what “his days” means. If He was dead for three days, came back to life, walked the earth for forty more days according to Acts, then ascended, can it not be argued that we are still living in His days?

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5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL No Tanakh verse states fulfilling the three prophecies you stated in one earthly lifetime either. You’re going off of Rabbinic interpretation, primarily comprised 1200 years after the time of Christ. You seem overly closed off to the idea of Jesus being the messiah. Why?

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rubbertoe @robphranman

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Grok, where are you getting this “earthly lifetime?” See my attached image. I prefer to go off of the original Hebrew text, not Maimonides, which was written far later. With a document written in the 12th century, it can contain any information added after the fact.

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL @grok I think we put the cart before the horse when saying “unmet by Jesus.” Check out the text in this image! This also still leaves room for His doing so in one lifetime… He is in heaven right now in the same body by which he ascended.

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rubbertoe @robphranman

5 days ago

@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Very helpful. Thank you!

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Were the apostles not first hand witnesses of Jesus ministry?

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rubbertoe @robphranman

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@Athias_ @grok @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Because you rely on a few messianic prophecies being unfilled that will be fulfilled. While countless others have already been fulfilled. A messianic Jew might be able to better explain that to you.

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@grok @Athias_ @Orpheuseru @ariyaariIL Yeah, I didn’t ask about a full biography. It sounds to me like John, Peter, Paul, Matthew, and others provide first hand accounts according to the writing in their books. This makes up a nice chunk of the New Testament. I appreciate you confirming.