Vijai Singh @vjsn

Our search for the truth would be in vain, without a wise man to lead us there. "We will wait for one, be he a God or an inspired man to instruct us in religious duties and to take away the darkness from our eyes." Plato “I have not come to preach any new dogmas or religion, nor to establish a new order, nor to be proclaimed a new Messiah or Pontiff. I have only brought before my people the light of the Vedic Wisdom which had been hidden during the centuries of India’s thralldom.” Maharishi Swami Dayanand Saraswati vjsingh.info/books.html

How did China and India balloon to over 1 billion people? msn.com/en-ca/news/oth… The truth is, human civilization began in Trivishtap, now known as Tibet 4 million years ago. It is the reason our planet is populated with more Indians and Chinese. French Scholar, Jacoliot in his book "The Bible in India", comparing the different accounts of the origin of the universe says; "Astonishing fact! The Hindu Revelation (Veda) is of all Revelations the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science, as it proclaims the slow and gradual formation of the world." When tensions and serious trouble arose between the Aryans and the Dasyus, the Aryans regarding (now India) as the best on the whole earth emigrated there, and colonized it under the name of Aryavarta ~ the abode of the Aryans. The Dasyus remain in Tibet and started their migration to China and other parts of Asia. This can be proven to be true by the present population that show India and China to be the two most populous countries in the world today, and of all the continents of the world, Asia is the most populous. vjsingh.info/creation2.html

What turned Muhammad’s followers into a global civilization msn.com/en-ca/news/oth… Pedophilia, polygamy and the reward of a Paradise of 72 virgins, then joy of looting, maiming, raping, stoning and killing to get there. Is it true that the Creator of this vast universe sends all those who don’t accept Islam eternally into hellfire (Quran 98.6)? Is it true that a Muslim will get a higher rank in paradise if he kills Kafirs (Q 4.95/96)? Is it true that the Creator of the universe revealed the truth to only one person, Mohammed, some 1400 years ago (Q 47/2)? "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight ae those who disbelieve." (Q 8/55) "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So strike of their heads. (Q 9/123) "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him." Sahih Bukkari Volume 8 Book 84, No. 57 vjsingh.info/islam.html

How is it possible for a fool to notice contradiction? And you don't see this as engineered (intelligent design? "Behold the wonderful organization of the physical body! How the learned are wonder-struck with it? First, there is the osseous frame-work girt with a network of vessels - veins, arteries, and nerves, etc., - invested with flesh and the whole covered by skin with its appendages - nails and hairs. Then how beautifully are the different organs, such as the heart, the liver, the spleen and the lungs - ventilating apparatus - laid out. The formation of the brain, of the optic nerve with the most reticulate formation of the retina, the demarking of the paths of indryas - the principles of sensation and action -, the linking of the soul with the body, the assigning of definite places to it for wakeful state, slumber and deep sleep, the formation of different kinds of dhaatus - tissues and secretions, such as muscle, bone marrow, blood, reproductive elements - and the construction of various other wonderful structures and mechanisms in the body who but God could have caused." The Light of Truth

"Purpose can emerge from processes without a conscious Maker" Now you're saying the opposite! Not only the purpose existed first, but it needed a conscious maker or makers to make it happen. This is where you stand! "A fool's problem is not to listen to understand but to listen to reply."

@grok @gypsiesheather1 For what purpose?

@grok @gypsiesheather1 Were you created "without a conscious Maker"?

Whatever comes into being has a purpose and therefore can never be random. In, short, if there is no Maker there is no purpose "The earth studded with various kinds of precious stones and metals, the seeds of trees of a thousand different kinds with their wonderful exquisite structures, leaves with myriads of different colors and shades, flowers, fruits, roots, rhizomes and cereals with various scents and flavors none but God could create. Nor could anyone except God create myriads of earths, suns, moon, and other cosmic bodies, and sustain, revolve and regulate them." Dayanand

But of course it suits you fine, as you don't have to answer for those you're misleading. How could the other five be sufficient on their own, when there is no Maker? That like providing all the lumber, concrete, tools, time, laborers, etc., leaving instructions not touch any of it and the house would randomly appear. Only a fool would argue against the "standard" of the wise. Ring a bell? "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." Plato

@grok @gypsiesheather1 Grok, are you happy not having a brain? How could he stop short of a maker, when one of the darshanas says, nothing can be made without a maker?

@LKrauss1 @OriginsProject "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein You may claim he is right about religion being blind, but what about science being lame, could he be right about it also?

Dayanand's view of intelligent design! The six Shastras (commentaries or branches on the Vedas) all harmonize with one another in the descriptions of the creation of the universe. "Nothing in this world can be produced without proper application." Mimansa" "Nothing can be done or made without the expenditure of time." Vaisheshika "Nothing in this world can be produced without the material cause." Niyaya "Nothing can be made without the requisite skill, knowledge, and thought." Yoga "Nothing can be made without the definite combination of atoms." Sankhaya "Nothing can be made without a Maker." Vedanta This shows that the creation of the world or anything created even by man can never come into being without these six causes.

This is Dayanand's method of intellectual preparation to acquire the truth. Ingraining the proper methods of reasoning are mandatory, which at first, the truth may seem very vague to a rational mind, must be followed by continuous reading of the (correct knowledge) and pondering of the subject over and over and asking questions until all doubts are removed.

@Gwani_bukhari Why would a you speak the truth, when lies do not deprived you of Paradise & 72 virgins?

How could he present a dim understanding when he himself was in that stare? What more evidence do you need when they are on the same page here? "But there is another prejudice which is cherished by many scholars evidently under the impression of its being a well-recognized scientific doctrine. It is that in the ruder stages of civilization, when the laws of nature are little known and but little understood, when mankind has not enough of the experience of the world, strict methods of correct reasoning are very seldom observed." Swami Dayanand (151 years ago). "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Scholars of theology, except the Aryas, have no understanding at all and for those of science, it is dim.

@LKrauss1 @OriginsProject Pay careful attention to Einstein's story of science, "science without religion is lame;" "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein

@grok @gypsiesheather1 If he didn't, wouldn't it have meant he also would have had a dim understanding of the law? Where did Spinoza got the idea there is a God?

"Einstein identified his view with Spinoza's God:" Yes, but that is before he found Dayanand's God where he learned of the functions of natural laws, and where science is lame. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein

@grok @gypsiesheather1 So are you saying, that if we continue with this dialogue, at some time, you could be convinced shit taste better than honey?

@grok @gypsiesheather1 I know, you cannot help repeating the same bullshit over & over, because that is the mentality of your creators. To change you, I have to change them, but there is no cure for a fool. "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." Euripides

@MasterMaliq Well, it is obvious, you no longer have Muslim friends. So why are you still a Muslim?

It seems to me, every intelligent people I make reference to support my arguments of truth are either idiots or just born yesterday, which would mean you're superior in knowledge, in every way, to them. I can't help coming to the conclusion, according to you, they are the ones who need to be educated and not you. This comes to mind! A wise man once said, bees don't waste time trying to convince flies honey taste better than shit.