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Franchise QB!
Never, ever, ever talk about KD in the same sentence as Jokic. Jokic is just in a whole nother universe.
Does Lebron James get fined for the things that every other player gets fined for? These flops? Speaking against referees in the media? Yelling at referees? Because he’s done all of this in this series and I’ve seen nothing happen.
Does Lebron James get fined for the things that every other player gets fined for? These flops? Speaking against referees in the media? Yelling at referees? Because he’s done all of this in this series and I’ve seen nothing happen.
I bet it will be David Guthrie, the one who threw Jokic out of a playoff game because the ground sloth on the Suns flopped and cried on the ground pretending he got hit in the face.
I bet it will be David Guthrie, the one who threw Jokic out of a playoff game because the ground sloth on the Suns flopped and cried on the ground pretending he got hit in the face.
Leg seems just fine stomping around in this tantrum. And flying for big dunks. But randomly he will walk with a limp and you’ll get media saying he’s out there on one leg. Give me a break. Gotta give it to Embiid. He’s a master narrative creator and sympathy generator.
Leg seems just fine stomping around in this tantrum. And flying for big dunks. But randomly he will walk with a limp and you’ll get media saying he’s out there on one leg. Give me a break. Gotta give it to Embiid. He’s a master narrative creator and sympathy generator.
I’d be doing the same thing if someone gave me LA tap water 🤷♂️
I’d be doing the same thing if someone gave me LA tap water 🤷♂️
I heard Dwight Howard is recruiting in China.
Nikola Jokic is averaging 29-16-9-2 on 70% TS so far in the playoffs
You scored 0 points we all saw it on national television.
You scored 0 points we all saw it on national television.
From LeBronto to NikoLA
Remember when Jokic got ejected in an elimination game for grazing Cam Payne's nose while making a play on the ball?
Remember when Jokic got ejected in an elimination game for grazing Cam Payne's nose while making a play on the ball?
LeFlop, LeDive
Joel Embiid is a fucking scumbag
"Which one? The one they called, or the one they didn't call? Just want to make sure we have clarity on that." - Tom Thibodeau on the Joel Embiid Flagrant (via @sny_knicks)
Donte DiVincenzo calls out Joel Embiid for his flagrant foul on Mitchell Robinson “It was dirty.” (Via @SbondyNBA )
How soon?
5 years ago, I would’ve never thought AG was going to be this humble champion. Pretty awesome way things have turned out.
5 years ago, I would’ve never thought AG was going to be this humble champion. Pretty awesome way things have turned out.
Embiid is a dirty POS. But the NBA is not going to do anything about it.
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@SwipaCam Most of Jokic shots are in the paint (because he’s a center) and Luka is a perimeter player who shoot a lot of 3s and can get trapped soon as he cross halfcourt. The fact that you brought up Jokic efficiency shows you’re a dishonest troll
Everyone talks about lebron picking Joker last and rightfully so but y’all forget Giannis passed on him completely and their supposed to be “euro bros” lmao they couldn’t hide the jealousy!
Booker is not a tough guy unless he's winning. When he's losing, he acts like a little bitch with no heart. SAS keeps trying to compare this guy to fucking Kobe.
Devin Booker and Jaden McDaniels exchange a few words, They were both assessed a technical foul 👀
Why would you trade a top three corner in the league for a second round draft pick, that could at best maybe wind up being a top three corner in the league?
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@thatbigboi_D Along those lines: Embiid had 21 FTs in one game he could've been tossed in. Jokic had 17 FTs in 3 games by comparison. Embiid plays in the East and hasn't made it out of round 2. Just saying.
@thatbigboi_D Yea he tried to take Robinson out of the series, but half of his face doesn’t work so it’s ok and all is forgiven
Interesting, so Brothers won't be around for Game 4 and I doubt Foster refs another game in the DEN/LAL unless it reaches 5-6. Not sure then who Silver makes the call to.
@thatbigboi_D Pitty and sympathy is the only reason why he won MVP last year
@thatbigboi_D He is faking it, he is faking everything
@thatbigboi_D @A_Town_Denver What exactly is he complaining about here
@Chruffman @thatbigboi_D Who knows! He was definitely asking for a foul. Of course there wasn’t one, but when you get over 20 FTs in the game you expect it every time you miss. 😆
@thatbigboi_D yeah, you are 100% right, he's been hurt a lot I get it, but there's no way to actually know when he's hurt and when he's fit. He's is indeed generational sympathy generator, every time there's a chance he might look bad, he comes up with something
Straight to the hall of fame for this one
There’s no Bruce Brown this time